Tuesday, October 03, 2006

my "abortion blogburst" contribution

I'm a Conservative and I'm pro-choice.
You can't legislate morality or religion and I'm happiest and we're freest when government doesn't try.


I wish I could write more, but since school is devouring my life right now, that's all I've got to add.

7 comments:

aus blog said...

World estimations of the number of terminations carried out each year is somewhere between 20 and 88 million.

3,500 per day / 1.3 million per year in America alone.

50% of that 1.3 million claimed failed birth control was to blame.

A further 48% had failed to use any birth control at all.

And 2% had medical reasons.

That means a stagering 98% may have been avoided had an effective birth control been used.


DID YOU KNOW THAT YOU CAN GET AN IMPLANT (in arm) THAT IS - SAFE - 99.9% EFFECTIVE AND LASTS FOR THREE YEARS?

Liam O'Brien said...

Government doesn't need to necessarily be used as an extension of all personal views on morality.

That said, government does sometimes take moral stands and can be arguably said to be legislating in matters of morality in the criminal justice system.

None of that means that even people who are opposed to abortion or who think it is an option that should only be explored in very limited circumstances must necessarily believe that it can or should be outlawed.

Some very successful and popular-in-practice outlooks on moral issues are achieved by way of reason and discussion.

Much of the minefield of abortion debate is polarized around the use of the state to prevent people from choosing abortions if they want them.

I almost feel unqualified to have much of an opinion on the matter. I'm a single adult male and I'm not a fetus. It's not my body affected on either side of that which is often seen to be conflict of interests and values. .

I always felt that Stockwell Day got a bum rep in Alberta for daring to point out what numerous opinion surveys have confirmed -- that most Albertans oppose most forms of Abortion. Even as he said this, Stock was also pointing out that the decision re abortion was between a woman and her doctor. He just wasn't so sure that that majority of Albertan taxpayers hwo had problems with the concept should be coerced into paying for abortions.

There are precious few medical procedures that would be considered as controversial as abortion. . . yet the law in Canada is generally that taxpayers pay the bill for the procedure even if the majority of them don't like it.

While I accept that the rights issues re the human body will make it so that the procedure of abortion will have to be legal; as a taxpayer, I cannot see why people in a province like Alberta should have to pay for a procedure to which they object!

Stock's suggested solution was to de-list abortions except in cases of rape/incest/danger to the mother. In those circumstances, there were specific programs that could be modified to cover the procedures anyway.

He was torn a new A-hole for the suggestion. I doubt he'll ever suggest such a thing again.

In any case, It is very clear that the current government will not support any legislation to regulate abortion. This makes sense. If provincial governments ever feel the hankering to tinker here, I think their efforts would be best spent taking a page from Tom Long and company and merely emphasizing and promoting the positive options of adoption etc . .

aus blog said...

Something for Pro-choicers to concider..........

I am a pro-lifer who has no religious convictions at all . I didn't need the fear of god or anything else to come to my decision, just a good sense of what is right and wrong.
You see we were all once a fetus. Is it beyond the realm of possibilities that when your mother first learned she was carrying you, she may have considered her options? What if she had decided to terminate? Would that have been OK?
You would not exist, if you have children they would not exist, and your (husband or wife) would be married to someone else. You would have been deprived of all your experiences and memories. In this day and age with terminations being so readily available and so many being carried out, if you make it to full term
you can consider yourself lucky. Lucky you had a mother that made the choice of life for you. Don't you think they all deserve the same basic human right, LIFE?
I'm all for contraception, prevention is certainly better than termination.
Did you know you can get an implant that is safe, 99.9% effective, and lasts for three years? Just think girls not even a show for three years, wouldn't that be great? I think too many people rely too heavily on the last option (abortion), I think if abortions weren't so readily available people would manage their reproductive system far better resulting in a fraction of the number of unwanted pregnancies.
World wide there are over 50 MILLION aborted pregnancies each year. In America 3,500 terminations carried out every day, that's over 1.3 million every year, 50% of all cases claimed that birth control had been used, 48% admitted they took no precaution, and 2% had a medical reason. That's a staggering 98% that may have been prevented had an effective birth control been used. Don't get me wrong, I suspect the percentages in Australia would be much the same.
Just a lot of unnecessary killing.

At the point of conception is when life began for you. This was the start of your existence. Your own personal big bang. Three weeks after conception heart started to beat. First brain waves recorded at six weeks after conception. Seen sucking thumb at seven weeks after conception.

I am convinced that in the not too distant future, people will look back at many of the practices of today with disbelief and horror.



Want to know how to find humanity-?

True humanity can only be achieved, by concidering others/ caring about others, as much as, if not more than yourself.

Until we do we are no more than an uncivilisation, with all the uncivilised things that we do...



ausblog

Clinton P. Desveaux said...

Liberty good, Conservative bad

Liam O'Brien said...

The two are not necessarily polar opposites, Clinton.

aus blog said...

If you think the point of conception is NOT when life begins, and all you have is a clump of cells and not a living human being.
Then at least concider this -

Soon after you were conceived you were no more than a clump of cells.
This clump of cells was you at your earliest stage, you had plenty of growing to do but this clump of cells was you none the less. Think about it.
Aren't you glad you were left unhindered to develope further.
Safe inside your mother's womb until you were born.

mostlyfree said...

aus blog,

Of course I am glad that I am alive, and I realize that if it weren't for that clump of cells that was once all I was, I wouldn't be here.

However, I believe that a clump of cells is just that: a clump of cells, and this is based strictly on belief. Any idea, mine or another's, of when, exactly, this cell-clump or fetus becomes a child worthy of protection for this right is based on a belief, and this is why I'm pro-choice.

That said, I disagree with public funding for abortions, which goes along with my disagreement for public funding of almost anything, although it's easier to illustrate why I oppose it in the case of abortion.

Clinton,

Freedom good, socialism bad. So which is worse? Socialism or conservatism? Which will lead to more freedom? I think cutting taxes and reigning in government are the most effective ways of stopping the government from exerting more influence on our lives, and hence I work with conservatism towards our common intermediate goals. We'll decide how much we disagree when we get there.