Tuesday, November 13, 2007

cathartic mockery

My friend sent me a website of infuriating t-shirts today, and since they're in need of mocking, here I go:

The site (Radical Jack - god I hope this doesn't get them any business... or do I? Oh, the irony!) is covered in communist nonsense, so I can only assume that their solution to this problem would be to have the government get bigger so that it can tax the rich to pay for social programs and other government goodies to try an equalize things.
Apparently, it's never occurred to these people that it's not the rich that start wars, it's governments. And when governments make wars, it's the people that fund those wars who die.

... through really really really big government that takes away the money of the people so that they spend it how they should, not how they want to. Freedom is slavery!

Oh, my mistake. Apparently capitalism (aka, the private means of production) is slavery. I've forgotten how liberating it would be to have the government take away a business I'd worked to build and all the profits I'd earn through operating that business. I can only assume that Jack sends his profits straight to the government.

This one is cool, except they forgot to add "... or you'll be executed." to the end of the quote... since that's basically how Che operated.



Well, I don't know about you, but I feel better now.

16 comments:

A.M. said...

Plus, the graphics are really, really ugly. Thanks for sharing the fun.

Zip said...

When I see some vacuous pin-head wearing a Che shirt two things run through my mind almost simultaneously.

1. Would this person wear an I love Hitler or Pol Pot tee-shirt too? and;

2. The irony that some enterprising corporation is making a bucket-load of money off of this pseudo-communist apparel.

zolton said...

I recently contacted the underground communist vanguard front, and they told me, as soon as they burrow themselves out from underneath the ocean their gonna start coercing all the capitalists to think otherwise.
They also told me that they recently acquired magical dragons to force you out of capitalism!

Which side has all of the money and power to fool/manipulate people into a heriarical system that is old and has not adapted to new realities?
How about the SPP and Canada! Isn't that force and coercion?
IMF? WTO? NAFTA? Are these voulentary agreements? or are they forced contracts that are made outside of our democracy?

Did Castro do the noble thing when he freed his people from bondage and exploitation, from the people who think themselves to be masters of others?
Or should Batista have stayed? How about the bay of pigs? The Cuba embargo? Operation Peter Pan!
Talk about force and coercion to force others believe in an imperfect ideology!

Goto Thailand and see where our economic freedom and wealth comes from. Talk to the children that make our cloths and tell me thats FREEDOM AND JUSTICE!

Zip said...

Right. Communism/socialism is so much better than Western Democracy.

Why I remember visiting the Czechoslovakian border and I remember the machine gun nests facing (in a friendly way) into the Czech state and how the barbed wire fences were strung with garlands of flowers. You could barely notice that the razor wire was all on the Czech side of the border. Or that the communist government was less interested in us in the west than they were in controlling their own populations (by ANY means necessary)



No money, and no hope of power for the people but since the idea of communism is so noble(?) it must be impossible that as an ideology it has been responsible for more murder and mayhem than any other ideology in history except perhaps religion.

Uncle Joe Stalin was responsible for the deaths of between 40 and 50 MILLION people, he makes Hitler (another socialist I might add) look like a choirboy.

But hey, lets hate democracy and pluralism and the rule of law and capitalism and profit.

But while we're at it why don't we just admit that its the fact that some people will rise above others that really gets people steamed.

After all why should they have to work as hard (or harder even depending on their natural abilities) to get what the hardworking and industrious have MADE when they can have some nameless faceless bureaucracy demand that is is given to them.

Castro didn't free anyone, he gave them a different set of manacles. If his Cuba is such a utopia why is it that many Cubans choose to die crossing 90 miles of ocean in inner tubes rather than experience his heaven?

If you have a problem with things made in Indonesia by child labour then don't buy them.

By the way you realize that these children often help support their extended families right? So if they were suddenly put out of work their families would be worse off and the entire poverty issue would be worsened.

zolton said...

I never said that communism was noble, the emancipation of the Cuban people from capitalists was noble.
Capitalism kills more people then war does! Just because you cant see that reality doesn't make it not true.
Then you go an call Hitler a Socialist! LoL First of all if you have ever take the political compass test you will see that Hitlers ideological belief is on the high right side of the spectrum! Yes Hitler was conservative!
Hitler usurped the leadership of a national socialist party with the financial backing of the military.
LEARN YOUR HISTORY!
Geroge Bush's grandfatehr Prescott Bush was a Nazi banker and sympathizer! The Bush's were considered traitors to the Republic during WW2!
That Ideological trend was passed down onto his Children including the current American President!

What you call rising up above others I call lowering yourself to be ruthless an arm of a system rather then, a rational individual.

This system does not recognize mankind individuals or the enviroment in its systemization!

But you just do things and say things wit hough knowing what your saying! IE: your whole BS post!
That shows the nature of the beast!

"Castro didn't free anyone, he gave them a different set of manacles. If his Cuba is such a utopia why is it that many Cubans choose to die crossing 90 miles of ocean in inner tubes rather than experience his heaven?"
What would be the answer to that question?
Well back in the day after Castro took over Cuba was becoming a paradise, however the United states put embargo's on the country making them not able to trade with their nearest trading parters! Why? Purely ideological reason! You're argument is moot for your depth of understanding is about as deep as a puddle!
Cuba is the only nation that can boast 100% literacy rates. They have also been revolutionary in agricultural reforms!
But you're parochialism/stigma of what you do not know holds you from seeking truth!

"If you have a problem with things made in Indonesia by child labour then don't buy them."
Why not have truth in advertising so the consumer can make up their own mind!
Oh because they wouldn't buy then!

"By the way you realize that these children often help support their extended families right? So if they were suddenly put out of work their families would be worse off and the entire poverty issue would be worsened."
Yeah! So lets put the blame on the prostitute and not the pimp making her go work the streets!

Zip do you think for yourself? Or do you readily absorb the information your fascists inputs manipulate into you?
Hitler was as right wing as Bush and Harper! You're just being manipulated to believe in bullshit!
IE: me destroying your whole post!

Janet is this what free market association produces? Drones!
Is this one of those free minded libertarians?
Or is this man a slave, but I guess if he's a slave in the other camp then I guess thats fine.
But thats the nature of manipulation people believing in something yet not knowing what they believe in, and being very emotional to create a sensation of being right.
I can say from what I have seen is that socialist have more open minds for they do not think inside an economic box!

Zip said...

Then you go an call Hitler a Socialist! LoL First of all if you have ever take the political compass test you will see that Hitlers ideological belief is on the high right side of the spectrum! Yes Hitler was conservative!

Wait a second. You’re basing your statements off of an internet based political “test”? Wow.

Hitler usurped the leadership of a national socialist party with the financial backing of the military.
LEARN YOUR HISTORY!


I know my history just fine thanks…
Although officially called a political party, the DAP was a tiny group with less than 60 members. Nevertheless, it attracted the attention of the German authorities, who were suspicious of any organization that appeared to have subversive tendencies. A young corporal, Adolf Hitler, was sent by German army intelligence to investigate the DAP. While attending a party meeting, Hitler got involved in a heated political argument and made an impression on the other party members with his oratory skills. He was invited to join, and, after some deliberation, chose to accept. Among the party’s earlier members were Rudolf Hess, Hans Frank and Alfred Rosenberg, all later prominent in the Nazi regime.
Hitler became the 55th member of the DAP, but he later claimed to be member number seven (he was in fact the seventh executive member of the party’s central committee). Over the following months, the DAP continued to attract new members, while remaining too small to have any real significance in German politics. On 24 February 1920, the party added "National Socialist" to its official name, becoming the National Socialist German Workers' Party (NSDAP), although Hitler earlier suggested the party to be renamed the "Social Revolutionary Party"; it was Rudolf Jung who persuaded Hitler to follow the NSDAP naming.


Nope, no “financial backing of the military” as a matter of fact, the government/military had sent Hitler to spy on the DAP (forerunner of the Nazi party) because they were viewed as subversives.

Geroge Bush's grandfatehr Prescott Bush was a Nazi banker and sympathizer! The Bush's were considered traitors to the Republic during WW2!
That Ideological trend was passed down onto his Children including the current American President!


Next you’re going to tell me that the war in Afghanistan is “all about the oil” and the non-existent pipeline. Or maybe it’s all about the lapis lazuli… http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1819

What you call rising up above others I call lowering yourself to be ruthless an arm of a system rather then, a rational individual.

This system does not recognize mankind individuals or the enviroment in its systemization!

But you just do things and say things wit hough knowing what your saying! IE: your whole BS post!
That shows the nature of the beast!


Nothing else in your post demonstrates more clearly that you are diametrically opposed to individual freedom than this little tid-bit of socialist propaganda. Your very existence is dependent on the “system” as you euphemistically call it. The system, ironically is what allows the stupidity of socialism to be possible, because without the wealth and innovation of the capitalist system you’d be too busy starving to death or waiting in a line-up for your weekly loaf of stale bread to be dreaming up such nonsense.

Well back in the day after Castro took over Cuba was becoming a paradise, however the United states put embargo's on the country making them not able to trade with their nearest trading parters!

Prove it. I can easily demonstrate the desperation of the people fleeing Castro’s utopia both before and after the embargo

More on paradise….
Trafficking in persons:
current situation: Cuba is a source country for women and children trafficked for the purposes of sexual exploitation and forced child labor; Cuba is a major destination for sex tourism, which largely caters to European, Canadian, and Latin American tourists and involves large numbers of minors; there are reports that Cuban women have been trafficked to Mexico for sexual exploitation; forced labor victims also include children coerced into working in commercial agriculture
tier rating: Tier 3 - Cuba does not fully comply with the minimum standards for the elimination of trafficking and is not making significant efforts to do so


http://www.cubanet.org/CNews/y00/ago00/25e2.htm
http://www.fiu.edu/~fcf/prison.html


Why not have truth in advertising so the consumer can make up their own mind!

Sure, absolutely, I have no problem with that at all.

Zip do you think for yourself? Or do you readily absorb the information your fascists inputs manipulate into you? Hitler was as right wing as Bush and Harper! You're just being manipulated to believe in bullshit!
IE: me destroying your whole post!

Janet is this what free market association produces? Drones!
Is this one of those free minded libertarians?
Or is this man a slave, but I guess if he's a slave in the other camp then I guess thats fine.
But thats the nature of manipulation people believing in something yet not knowing what they believe in, and being very emotional to create a sensation of being right.
I can say from what I have seen is that socialist have more open minds for they do not think inside an economic box!


Zolton the only person getting emotional here is you. I have not called you a slave, or a drone.

I always think for myself. It appears that your knowledge is somewhat lacking though. It is especially rich that someone who admonishes me to LEARN MY HISTORY is absolutely wrong on the point of history that he is referring to.

Try a spell check once in a while too, it won’t improve the strength of your argument but it will make it easier to read.

Have a nice day.

Zip

NB taxpayer said...

Ya gotta love it when janet comes out swingin'. Not to mention, I love it when someone brings out a post I have absolutely nothing to debunk. More janet! Give me more. lol

Janet said...

Well back in the day after Castro took over Cuba was becoming a paradise, however the United states put embargo's(sic) on the country making them not able to trade with their nearest trading parters!

This is my absolute favourite thing that socialist drones say to explain the state of Cuba.

The whole point of Castro's revolution was to free Cuba from the "evils" of capitalism, but the state of the country today is basically blamed on the fact that America is withholding capitalism from the Cubans.

I think we should trade as much as possible with Cuba to help pull them from poverty and help them regain a freer society - it's a very libertarian and capitalist way to think.

It's just very amusing when a group of people becomes so desperate to hold on to a losing argument that they'll use the beliefs of the philosophy they claim to be against to do it!

zolton said...

Zip you claimed Hitler was a socialist, he is not. Who got history wrong big time?



"Nothing else in your post demonstrates more clearly that you are diametrically opposed to individual freedom "

Really where? I might be opposed to gluttonous freedom, for usually the freedom of some comes at the cost at the freedom of others!
But you guys always fail to mention that!
I'm all about responsible freedom not laizze-faire anarchist capitalism!
You're notion of democracy is oligarchy, you're notion of freedom looks like serfdom!

"than this little tid-bit of socialist propaganda. Your very existence is dependent on the “system” as you euphemistically call it. The system, ironically is what allows the stupidity of socialism to be possible, because without the wealth and innovation of the capitalist system you’d be too busy starving to death or waiting in a line-up for your weekly loaf of stale bread to be dreaming up such nonsense."

It seems to me if survival of the fittest became applicable the fat cat capitalists would be the least fit and first to go, for they wouldn't been insulated and protected by the whole society from reality anymore, plus their fat!

Look up Heir to the holocaust and see that The bush's and Nazi's were good friends.
Hitler is conservative, you didn't know that, Bush is a Nazi you didn't know that either! And yet with this new insight you still defend a system+ political parties that are illegitimate.

I know that Cuba is a big sex tourism place however I did not know about youth sex tourism, and the links you gave me were nothing related to the nature of the post. Except that Cuban prisons are harsh "gasp" and that their are political prisoners in Cuba "shock"


"Why not have truth in advertising so the consumer can make up their own mind!"

"Sure, absolutely, I have no problem with that at all".
Really, you act and talk as if you want to validate the current norm and progress it not change it!


"I always think for myself".HAHA
"It is especially rich that someone who admonishes me to LEARN MY HISTORY is absolutely wrong on the point of history that he is referring to"
Oh so sorry you claimed Hitler was a socialists MAJOR MISTAKE!
I claimed he had funding from the military, whoops it was the DAP! so sorry! You were the one that was more in the wrong not me!

Next time could you respond in A couple of hours as opposed to a couple of days, so I can continue to roast!

Janet you say again that my philosophy is wrong but give no REASON'S to why you think that, You just reiterate that IT"S WRONG!
I at least give you reasons to why your beliefs are wrong!

I've been waiting for you're debunking of my cosmological beliefs for a while but you keep failing to do so. So lets hash it out!
If not you show the same courage for your convictions as the average NEO-conservative does!

Zip said...

Gluttonous freedom? What the hell is gluttonous freedom?

You're one of them aren't you. A looter, a mooch that expects... no, demands the right to be able to live off of the hard work and achievements of others.

Your one of those pitiful whelps that think that good hardworking people who have earned their money should be legally constrained in their enterprise to allow weaker, less able and less efficient businessmen to survive.

You equate success with evil and berate the achievements of others because you don't have the drive or determination to see anything to fruition and even if you did your capacity is so weak that you would be a day late and a dollar short regardless.

If you think that this is getting personal you're probably right because I think that you and your ilk are the root cause of the degradation of personal responsibility in Canada. More, I believe that you and your kind are a blight on society as it can and should be.

Bye bye Zoltan. You're not worth the minuscule effort it takes for me to rip your puny arguments and poor grammar and diction to pieces.

Have a nice life.

zolton said...

"Your one of those pitiful whelps that think that good hardworking people who have earned their money should be legally constrained in their enterprise to allow weaker, less able and less efficient businessmen to survive."
LoL Stigma anyone?
In order to compete with Walmart I have to emulate their business practices! I have to look at the individuals working as a quick resource to exploit.
I also have to look at the enviroment as a quick resource to exploit, to compete. Competition to the Nth degree turns into ruthlessness/absentmindedness. Doing something and not knowing WTF you are doing!

Hardworking? The people that harness labor forces are usually not the ones who are hard working,it's the people that make the product!
The notion of efficiency rings on deaf ears if the god damn system doesn't recognize individual, the enviroment... mankind in it's systemization!
Capitalism isn't perfect! Yet you seem to think that it is!
Could it be that your individuality was prescribed to you from a system that has all the money and power?
Could we also conclude that you are not so much a rational individual as you are a functioning arm to an old system?

"I believe that you and your kind are a blight on society as it can and should be."
Well I'm fuking human being, I know conservatives do not want to acknowledge humanity!, However I am not you're enemy!
You have been stigmatizing me and the left, you do not know who or what we are, only whats been dictated to you by you're corporate masters. Who in turn have to manipulate your primal emotional condition rather then convince you with REASON. FOR THEY DO NOT HAVE REASON ON THEIR SIDE!
Or else they wouldn't have to manipulate you and coerce you in believing in bullshit!

zolton said...

"You're not worth the minuscule effort it takes for me to rip your puny arguments and poor grammar and diction to pieces."
Then you woke up! It was all a dream!
If you ever want to stop the unfounded feeling of anger and fear you know where to go!

Good job conservatives on catering to religious fascism! I guess that says again that you do not have ANY SUBSTANCE TO BELIEVE IN WHAT YOUR BELIEVING IN!

Cam said...

You love to throw around the word "fascist," yet don't explain to us how it is different than state socialism.

Zip's remark that Hitler was a form of socialist is completely true. The basic tenet of a socialist is to use state coercion to advance the "public interest before private interest." Period. Sure fascism doesn't appeal to the same social justice ends as socialism, it chooses nationalism instead. But other than that, it ain't much different. Different ends, same means.

Read Hitler and Mussolini's campaign speeches, a lot of them sound like they were written by socialists. One of Hitler's main arguments against the Jews was that they were part of the cosmopolitan financial elite that exploited the German middle class. In fact, much of Europe's anti-Semitism has Marxist origins.

I think you need to double check this "history" you keep referring too.

And btw, you can't discredit arguments in support of voluntary markets by pointing to the actions of politicians like Harper and Bush. I could care less if Bush professes to be pro-market. It doesn't mean that by association, I support the war in Iraq. For example, the fact that Stalin shared many of your opinions doesn't imply that you support famines that cause millions to die. Although it does mean you are too blind to realize that many of those deaths were the result of taking ideas, like the ones you hold, too far.

Whereas fascism isn't logically compatible with capitalism (learn a little bit of political theory, please), Stalinism and socialism share many of the same assumptions.

zolton said...

Fascism is the fusion of the state and economic interests. What Hitler did was not in the benefit of the "public interest" but his own agenda.
Hitler would have gotten no where if he didn't have the support of industry or Pope.
Now coercion is what were focusing on here right?
I can see how you perceive that state intervention could be seen as social engineering. People at the top of society dictating to us if not manipulating us to act accordingly.
The same critasism can be leveled against the systemization of our labor forces if not more so in every way shape and form. Except that that system is older and has been less able to adapt to "NEW realities".
Please don't label Marxists to be anti Jew thats naive.(my paternal grandfather died in holocaust) Marxism is maybe anti top down hierarchical systemization but it aint anti Jew.
I think that the Jews are one of the most resilient people, however like all subcultures their cosmology is not "perfect".
Rational self preservation in the past was probably the smartest way to live. But whats rational about whats going on these days?
If we take "rational self preservation" at face value we limit the scope of our being and mind to and egocentric one.
Rational self preservation should include the notion of species preservation.
For allot of us think that the goal of life is to be happy and for us in North America happiness is chemical satiation. The inhabitation and excitation of chemicals in our body.
So called "Libertarians" and anarcho-capitalists level the general critasism that "Government is bad" What type of government are we talking about here? PR Direct democratic totalitarian?
Last time I checked Nafta and the WTO dictate to Canadians the rules in which we can behave in more then Canadians do. The hegonomic force in the relationship between states and the all encompassing ESS is the Economic Super Structure!
Yes government might not work effectively all the time because we have businessmen buying out or running as politicians.
Thank God we have a charter to protect us from becoming slaves!
Corporatism spawned from free market association and I think thats the point that you keep forgetting. When ever I see a business man do something wrong, they say things like "omission is not a lie" Or "there is no law against it".
And you guys want to remove what small protections we have against a oligarchy? Look whats happened in the States! Two rigged elections! A war for business. Private media owned by private companies that doesn't ever tell it like it is because their interest lie with the ESS not the constitution etc...
If thats not fascism I dont know what is! I guess Coercion and manipulation is fine as long as you buy into the bullshit.
There are problems in society lets get rid of the monolithic systems that hold us back Capitalism and government. But lets not loose sight, the thing that is holding us back the most is Capitalism and I will list a thousand ways why capitalism is "not perfect" If you need me to.
Maybe it's my perspective here. Maybe Fox news is right! OR maybe they are catering to your penis vs your mind. For they believe in bullshit and have to manipulate you into believing in it.
The left as you can see is not catering to religious fundamentalism. I know that GWB is not really Christian just like he ain't a politician or A conservative.
However you see that the left does not claim to have phone conversations with God.
And why does the right do that?
Why is there A Ron Paul girl shaking her Ass? rather then having a legitimate political discussion?
BECAUSE THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IN LEGITIMATE THINGS!
If they did it would be easy and all they would have to do is talk use logic and walk the talk.
All they have to do is show you and image with ought substance and get you buying into that.
Create a false perception of reality to control your reality.
The left in Canada are more anracho-cynalists then statists!
Do you really have to be afraid of Jack Layton abusing power? Not really eh?
How about Bill Blakie Joe Comartian? Judy wasaleisaleis?

How about Harper? Ignatiff? Where do they get their funds from?
And people call socialists pipe dreamers!
You anarcho-capitalists have stars in your eyes if you think that to solve the worlds problem we sell off public assets and give more money and power to the people with all the money and and power allready.

NB taxpayer said...

Hey janet,

My blog (Countering the Nanny State) is up for blog of the year in NB. I'm not huge into such things, but it would be nice to see a libertarian blog take the crown over a bunch of statist.

Go here to vote.

Peter M. Eyre said...

I didn't even go to the site as I didn't want them to relish yet another hit in their fake-anti-capitalist enterprise.

My question revolves around your statement: "And when governments make wars, it's the people that fund those wars who die." What do you then suggest? That people not submit to the theft of their wages (aka pay taxes)?